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September 13th 08, 10:37 PM
I was told by one CFII that when there is a formation flight of
different performance aircraft that the slower plane should be in the
lead.  Reason was that the faster plane can always keep up.  Another
CFII (ex AF) said just the opposite - that the faster plane can just
throttle back.  I don't remember if he had any other reason.  What is
correct here??
Regards,
Jerry
Dudley Henriques[_2_]
September 13th 08, 11:15 PM
 wrote:
> I was told by one CFII that when there is a formation flight of
> different performance aircraft that the slower plane should be in the
> lead.  Reason was that the faster plane can always keep up.  Another
> CFII (ex AF) said just the opposite - that the faster plane can just
> throttle back.  I don't remember if he had any other reason.  What is
> correct here??
> 
> Regards,
> Jerry
The thing with formation flying is for lead to give back some power to 
the slowest aircraft in the formation. The rest will be interpolating 
between these two end parameters.
Can't speak for all aircraft as each type will have different numbers 
but using the P51 for example ( only because I remember the 
numbers....or at least I think I remember them anyway :-),
On takeoff, say a two plane section, lead will use about 50 inches, 
leaving the wingman (depending on the fuel being used) either a 5 inch 
spread if 100LL is in the tanks, or for the lawyers among us who are the 
only people on the planet who can afford the high octane fuel, an 11 
inch spread to the wingman.
Lead will climb out at around 35 and 2300, again giving power back down 
to the wingman to use for holding position.
Cruise for lead is around 31 inches at 2300 RPM...same reason; to allow 
the wing to maintain position.
If the winman is any good at all, he'll use yo yo'ing and arcing instead 
of throttle jockying to hold position if needed. Depends on the 
formation being held and how loose the wing position parameters are. If 
a rigid position required, lead will fly very smoothly and call the changes.
Sorry for the Mustang reference if a J3 was required :-) Just lower the 
numbers a bit and think yellow! :-))
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Dudley Henriques
Orval Fairbairn[_2_]
September 14th 08, 04:46 AM
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>,
  wrote:
> I was told by one CFII that when there is a formation flight of
> different performance aircraft that the slower plane should be in the
> lead.  Reason was that the faster plane can always keep up.  Another
> CFII (ex AF) said just the opposite - that the faster plane can just
> throttle back.  I don't remember if he had any other reason.  What is
> correct here??
> 
> Regards,
> Jerry
I do it regularly either way. As Dudley remarks, the faster plane ahs to 
give up some power so the slowest plane can keep up.
The easiest way to join up is a circling joinup. Join speed has to be a 
part of the preflight briefing -- all planes in the formation flying 
that speed until joined. The joining plane flies the inside of the 
circle, keeping the top of the lead's vertical fin on his opposite 
wingtip until getting in close.
The chasing joinup is more difficult, as those catching up have to have 
more speed ("smash") until closing in, then getting rid of excess smash.
Again, the faster planes have to be aware of the others' performance 
limitations. One should never be afraid of asking, "Lead, give me an 
inch (or more)".
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